'The internet introduces this whole other, crazy wilderness of assholes. You have to keep remembering who you’re making your work for'
recently listened in as the two discussed the façade of performance, messy wordplay, and their favorite flavor.SALLY SPITZ: I think it was in 2011 in Stanya’s genres class at UCLA. It was a meaningful class for me as a fan of her work, and also because she introduced me to some of my favorite performers and musicians, who I hadn’t known before, and who really influenced me and shaped my musicianship. I’ve just always felt really grateful to Stanya for that.
SPITZ: It’s hard to be vulnerable. You have to reaffirm yourself all the time, and it really helps to get that kind of support and verbal affirmations with someone, especially with the history of art-making and the world being dominated by the male voice and perspective. To not look to that as the model or the mold, but to create your own language and to use your own body, I think it’s really vital.
KAHN: You’re not the first one who’s referred to her as a burnout. In my mind, of course, she’s so completely straight-edge. She’s just pure id. The line between her and myself is pretty thin. Being a quote-un-quote character is more than just sliding around to different states of being so that certain things can be said that might not be said if I were in my normal state of control.
SPITZ: As someone who’s experienced the trauma of male-dominance throughout my life and coming to terms with that, I don’t want to allow any entry point. I don’t want anyone to think that I’m only my body, that I’m only a sexual object. We’ve gotten weird comments on YouTube videos that are just purely based on how we look.
KAHN: I’m really interested in that little gap between anxiety and ego. [My character Lois] has all this courage to speak her mind, but it’s coming out of the most desperate lonely place. Some people talk about Lois like, “Oh yeah, she’s crazy and rambling,” but I think she seems really sane and is putting her finger right on the pulse.
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