Discussing gay fascists, tyrants and criminals throughout history
. Here, Lemmey and Miller discuss masculinity, militarism, colonialism, the idea of ‘badness’, and more.James Greig: Alongside the more serious history, there’s a lot of humorous asides in the book. Why did you want to include that tone?
Ben Miller: Because it’s not true. There are two potential versions of who queer people are, and how we came to be, and one of them is really the accepted model in academic and activist circles. It says that sexuality, both homosexuality and heterosexuality, are institutions that have recent and social histories; they’re not eternal, and they don’t look the same way over time.
“Our project is to look at what’s interesting in the people who aren’t acclaimed as heroes” – Huw Lemmey Secondly, what gives the podcast the ability to ask interesting questions is its distance from the traditional gay history project, which is obviously not universal. There are lots of activists and academics who don’t engage in this project, especially these days. But the traditional project was about excavating the past for examples of how gay men had lived their lives in ways that weren’t sad, and abject, to look back and say, ‘we’re not monomaniacal perverts.
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