'We are in the middle of a period of enormous protest.'
, David Plotz, Emily Bazelon, and John Dickerson looked back over 2019 to pinpoint the biggest, most significant stories of the year. This transcript of their conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.It’s the end of the year, and we’re looking back on the big stories.
So, with that as my own backdrop, I’m thinking about stories about immigrants’ reception in the United States, in particular our family separation policy. There has been distress about that, but we haven’t really walked it back. The Trump administration has really tried, with some blocking from the courts, to move the country away from a traditional understanding of asylum.
We see this complete polarization in the United States, in Great Britain with Brexit, in Europe, in India. We see nationalism and tribalism, separate narratives, and a loss of faith in the basic democratic political systems that have developed in many countries., and there was a question about migrants and immigration, and she referred back to our values? She meant the liberal Western order.
The opioid crisis is linked to this. This sense of loss of power, the fear that immigrants are coming and taking things from you. In the next 50 years, we’re going to be asking white Americans to give up their majority status in this country without violence and without trying to cling to it so desperately that they destroy the democratic order. And I don’t think that is a phenomenon we’ve really seen a country accomplish.
America’s always had heterogeneity—it’s one of our most celebrated facets. I absolutely believe that we are stronger for all our immigrants. But for a lot of white Americans, there was more of a sense of social fabric and commonality in the past than they feel now.One of the challenges for our presidents—our next one, whether it’s in four years or one year—is how to manage diversity, both in terms of policy but also in how to talk about it.
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