The AP Interview: Pence says voters want new leadership

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In an Associated Press interview, former Vice President Mike Pence declines to say whether he believes Donald Trump is fit to be president again

That's when a mob of Trump's supporters — driven by Trump's lie that Pence could somehow reject the election results — stormed the Capitol building while Pence was presiding over the certification of Democrat Joe Biden's victory. The vice president was steered to safety with his staff and family as some in the mob chanted, “Hang Mike Pence!"

“You know, the president has every right to stand for election again,” he said. But after traveling the country campaigning with midterm candidates, “I have a genuine sense that the American people are looking for new leadership that could unite our country around our highest ideals and that would reflect the respect and civility the American people show to one another every day, while still advancing the policies that we advanced during those years of service," he said.

“My conclusion," he said, “is the candidates that were focused on the future, focused on the challenges the American people are facing today and solutions to those challenges did quite well." But those still questioning the 2020 results — as Trump demanded — “did not do as well." In the interview, he recalled his reaction to Trump's tweets “that criticize me directly at a time that a riot was raging in the Capitol hallways."

Pence and Trump were always an odd couple — a pugilistic, crude New York celebrity and a staid Midwestern evangelical who once wrote an essay on the evils of negative campaigning and who, as a rule, says he will not dine alone with a woman who is not his wife. Asked why he so rarely spoke up when Trump launched deeply personal insults against figures such as the late Sen. John McCain, Pence said, in effect, that that was what he had had signed up for.

“And in the weeks that followed, from time to time, he would call me and to speak and check in," Pence said in the interview. “But when he returned to criticizing me and others who had upheld the Constitution that day, I just decided I’d be best to go our separate ways. And we have.”

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